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 Post subject: USB cable length
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:33 am 

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Hi,

We are trying to build a structure with 6 Sony Eyes. And we are planning an area of 10x10m.

Therefore we need USB Assets. But why? I mean, is a problem of data loss by the cable length? or that not enough power to the cameras?

Depending could solve this in different ways, with different costs.
If it is a problem of data loss we can buy a Signal Repeater but I have not found a low price model.

If it is a problem of alimentation we can use a alimentation booster circuit that it's easy to build.

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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:34 pm 
iPi Soft

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Location: Moscow, Russia
Hi
The problem with great length of USB connection is data loss depending on distance. So there is a need for repeater at every 10 meters approximately. That means you should use active USB cables for great lengths.
These models work well for us:
http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-32-Feet-Female-Extension-Repeater/dp/B004HJDUW0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445196683&sr=8-3
http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-USB-2-0-convenience-installation/dp/B004YI9U2I/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445196836&sr=8-3


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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:20 am 

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Thaks for quick reply

So... can we connect a 5m non active cable to a 10m Active clable?
OPTION-1 : (PC -> 5m;nonActive -> 10m;active -> PSCamera)

or

OPTION-2 : (PC -> 10m;active -> 5m;nonActive -> PSCamera)


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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:04 am 

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I daisy-chain only active USB cables. For example: 10m active USB + 10m active USB + device (PS3 Eye or Kinect v1.) IMO, better safe than sorry. My understanding is that you can daisy-chain up to five of these cables. I typically chain two for each device, but longset I've ever daisy-chained is three 10m active USB cables which worked fine for me.

FYI, if you use Kinect v2, you will need USB 3.0 active cables.

BTW, that behind-the-scenes video is many years old. I would contact 1k0 and get a current opinion from him regarding the Canon cameras.

G.

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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:34 am 
iPi Soft

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We do not recommend to use passive USB extension cables of more than 3m total length. Often had problems with that. Passive cables usually have poorer quality.
Always connect active cable to PC first. In your option 1, total length before repeater is 15m, so signal is too weak already.

Greenlaw wrote:
BTW, that behind-the-scenes video is many years old. I would contact 1k0 and get a current opinion from him regarding the Canon cameras.

I guess you intended to put this in another post.


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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:37 am 

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Oh, duh...I must have had both pages open at the same time. Thanks for catching that. :p

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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:23 am 

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This ir or mocap setup, as you can see we have 6 cameras in a hexagon (5m of radius), one camera per vertice.
In the following image you can see 6 red lines that represents our USB cables 6 -> ( 2 x 11.0m ; 2 x 7.5m ; 2 x 2.8m ) aprox.
The middle blue squere is our safe volumen.

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With the previousimage wich tipe of cable do you recomend? becouse 7.5m of could be a problem if it's not a active USB, right?


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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:11 am 
iPi Soft

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2x3m passive cables for 2.8m distances
2x10m active cables for 7.5m distances
2x12m active (preferred) or 2x10 active + 2x3m passive cables for 11m distances

7.5m passive would definitely be a problem.

I recommend to place cables around the capture area (blue rectangle), not across it.


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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:55 pm 

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I personally just use all 10m (33ft) USB 2.0 active repeaters for my 6 cams, (Cams have 6ft of lead also, which I don't use, just left wrapped up), no matter how close cams are to the computer, just coil up the excess and I have no transfer issues, to me less connections are better and all signals reach computer at same time, I don't know if that makes a difference, but I have no issues.

I run mine permanent around the walls and ceiling of my area, so I did use most of the 10m anyway except for 1 @ 3m, rest coiled up.

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 Post subject: Re: USB cable length
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:15 am 

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we have finally used:

* 2x3m passive cables for 2.8m distances
* 2x10m active cables for 7.5m distances
* 2x10 active + 2x3m passive cables for 11m distances

And works perfect!

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