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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:22 pm 

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What are the exact steps in between Calibration and Video Recording? (in Dual Kinect setup, 60-90 deg.)

1. How do I know the calibration has been successful and merged? And then once calibration is complete, is that calibration permanent as long as I don't move the Kinects? Or...

2. Do I have to load in a calibration profile each time I restart iPi Studio to let the program know I want to use that calibration?

3. Once I'm set with calibration, I can simply record video to use in iPi Studio?

4. Finally, once I'm ready to work with that video in iPi Studio...what is a good youtube video of someone's tracking workflow?

Thanks for your help.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:48 am 

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Following up on this:

If I open and close ipi studio, how do I make sure it has retained my calibration? Do I have to load the calibration scene each time I open iPi Studio?

Thanks for any help.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:39 pm 

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You only need to calibrate a scene once per mocap session, not per motion. If you move any cameras in your setup (Kinect or PS3 Eye,) you will need to record a new calibration video for any motions you intend to capture after that.

After calibrating your calibration scene, you need to save the calibration as a scene file. You do this by choosing Save Scene File, which saves the camera positions relative to the scene origin. (This command is different from Save Project File, which saves the video and tracking data.) You will load this same scene file for each motion recorded after that calibration video was shot.

You do NOT need to recalibrate the cameras for each and every motion. You do however need to load the calibrated scene file for each new motion video so iPi can properly place the cameras relative to the point clouds, the origin, and rigged actor.

In rare instances, I find that I may need to load the calibrated scene file twice. If it did not load properly the first time, the cameras will appear in their default positions and not where they are supposed to be. You can check if the scene has loaded properly by rotating your view and looking at the position of the cameras. (I ran into this problem during beta, so it's possible that it's not an issue now. I'll know for sure when we go back into production for our next movie.)

After loading a motion video you can choose the option to display both sets of point clouds. If calibration is good, the clouds will line up and the merged data should appear to be in proper scale with the Actor. If they don't merge properly, check that the calibrated scene data has loaded properly. (See above.)

As to your final question, if you launch iPi Studio, it does not recall the previously opened Project; instead it opens a clean Project file with default camera positions. This is because the software does not know if you will be using it to calibrate a scene or to start tracking motion.

If you want to start tracking, then yes, you need to load both your motion video (not the calibration video) and your calibrated scene data. If you recorded several sessions with different calibrated scene files, be sure to load the proper scene data for your current motion video. This is where careful note taking and organization pays off.

If you've saved a Project file previously, however, you do not need to reload the calibrated scene data--this data, if scene data was imported before you saved your Project file, it should have been saved with your Project file.

Most of the details are covered in the iPi Wiki and it should be fairly straightforward. Be sure to read all of the information there before starting a mocap session, otherwise you possibly waste a lot of time because you missed a simple but important step. There is also a thread from a few months ago when the software was still in beta with walkthrus and explanations, though some of that info may have changed a little since then.

This might sound like a lot of things to keep track of but the process is actually very consistent and predictable once you've gone through it successfully once or twice. It will seem pretty simple once you get the hang of it.

G.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:34 pm 

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Thank you tremendously for your help! No offense to iPiSoft, but your post is clearer than the "User Guide for Dual Kinect Sensor Configuration" on the wiki. They did a decent job, but there were a couple of gaps and that's why I asked the original questions. (They should borrow from your Forum posts and give you a commission :) ).

I have 2 follow up questions:

1. How or where does one choose the option to display both sets of point clouds?

2. What might be the name of the thread you referenced (when the software was still in beta with walkthrus and explanations)?

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:38 pm 

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Just following up...how do you display both sets of point clouds to make sure they've merged? Is it just clicking the button with only the word "Depth" on it?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:46 pm 

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Menu options in iPi can change depending on the 'mode' you're in (I don't think that term is used officially but that's what I call it.) If you have loaded a motion capture video created with dual Kinects, you will be in 'tracking mode' (as opposed to 'calibration mode',) and you should see an option called Show Depth From All Sensors under the View menu. Choose that option and the point clouds from both Kinects will become visible at the same time.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:47 pm 

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in the view menu its the last item called show depth from both sensors.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:52 pm 

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I think this is the thread:

Using iPi DMC with Dual Kinect Sensors [dKS]


It's been a while but I think if you read all the posts you will more or less know all you need to know about using dKS. Just be aware that this thread was from the beta testing period so some of the info at the beginning of the thread might be vague or inaccurate. If you have any more questions, just ask in that thread.

Good luck!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:25 am 

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Thank you everyone, for all of your help!


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